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yakaman wrote:
I would bet my left testicle that Humanity is not Forerunner. Or the right, if you prefer. It does not matter. :ugeek:

you know in some countries thats a delicacy :>

but i tend to agree with you (so your safe for now), about the forerunners altering dna to leave a marker. i said somewhere on these boards in yestermonth that perhaps they only left that marker to a few 'chosen' and those chosen continued that legacy throughout history not knowing anything until the spartans were picked (they were picked for certain genetic traits i blieve) and that would explan why, when looking at forerunner things, the spartans always feel this funny memory pull like when master chief knows how to extend the bridge in halo: the flood, and fred activates a wall with his blood in Halo: first strike. now, as for the spartan program itself actually getting together and them being chosen... well if you want to be all spacey you can think that even in halo things happen for a reason blah blah... but thats a bit too far out i guess.


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yakaman wrote:
Alright, I'll take the bait.

Humanity=Forerunner is dead, dead, dead. Deader than fried chicken. Why I say this:

- the comic, showing humanity in it's primitive state, watching the Forerunners machines
- Episode 4 video, indicating that the Forerunner confronted the enemy while shielding the weak
- the fact that in every occasion, monitors draw a distinction between Reclaimers and their creators


1 By everyone's logic at the moment (and your's as well), if I showed you footage of a tribe of wild humans of the Amazon, you'd say we were a different species?

2. Ever think that the Covies were the weak and that's why they have such a big problem with us?

3. Reclaimers are reclaiming the territory and the Forerunners came beFORE the firing of the rings. That's the clear distinction.

It is not a dead theory.


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yakaman wrote:
I would bet my left testicle that Humanity is not Forerunner. Or the right, if you prefer. It does not matter. :ugeek:


Be careful what you bet on, Yaka...you just might find a large man named Carmine at your door with a couple big friends of his and a meat cleaver... :twisted:

Mullet, let's not lump everyone's logic together at this point. We're just tossing theories around like a beach ball. Debate and discussion is why we're here. ;)

Or as Miracle Max would say: "(It)'s only mostly dead. Mostly dead is not all dead. If they're all dead, all you can do is say a prayer and go through their pockets for loose change."


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I'm beginning to think the Humans aren't Forerunner because they aren't referred to as Forerunner by the Monitor. BUT the part where he says the "Our history" but Our is for many things

here's an example:
Americans and British(first one of the top of my head)
ok, they share history, but they aren't the same,so any one of the first to aforementioned parties can refer to that shared history as "Our history" ie. American Revolution etc.

So I'm thinking the Forerunner and Reclaimers are entirely different races, and therefore if that's true we aren't their descendants. But the Forerunner could of "engineered" us for dealing with the Halo's. It would explain why the Monitor has a name for us.

edit:wow, first real post in a long time


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1 By everyone's logic at the moment (and your's as well), if I showed you footage of a tribe of wild humans of the Amazon, you'd say we were a different species?

The key here MulletedOne, is that all along this wild ride, it was imperitive that Bungie maintain consistency with historical, archeological, and biological knowledge of our origins. At least it was for me. The comic, which is set 100,000 years ago, shows one of what must be a very small (nascent) human population.

Because the records do not show any other species (i.e. perhaps Forerunner as "Atlanteans") I discount that as a possibility. Of course, one could make the point "consistency? When a gigantic artifact has been right under our feet this entire time?", and it would be a good point. But I'm just not buying it.

Let's consider this statement, from the audio from Episode 4:

Quote:
In the grand ballet of stars,
We are almost the same, you and I.
Breathtaking and mundane -

To me, this entity is saying, although we are distant (time, advancement, position, you name it), we are similar. This is something I might say to a younger species from across the milky way, no?

Quote:
The tiniest differences that make the world habitable,
That's how you came to be known;
Thats our connection.

C'mon. That's a smoking gun. Our connection to the Forerunner is the tweaks in our DNA, the shaping of our destiny, the comfort of our world.

I'm done with it. Forerunner are not human. They are not from Earth. They are a millenia-old civilization that populated hundreds of worlds that spanned the galaxy. There is no trace of the Forerunner on Earth (except the Ark, which was built for the conservation effort). They left their tracks on all kinds of other worlds, the Prophet's homeworld included.

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1 By everyone's logic at the moment (and your's as well), if I showed you footage of a tribe of wild humans of the Amazon, you'd say we were a different species?

The key here MulletedOne, is that all along this wild ride, it was imperitive that Bungie maintain consistency with historical, archeological, and biological knowledge of our origins. At least it was for me. The comic, which is set 100,000 years ago, shows one of what must be a very small (nascent) human population.

Because the records do not show any other species (i.e. perhaps Forerunner as "Atlanteans") I discount that as a possibility. Of course, one could make the point "consistency? When a gigantic artifact has been right under our feet this entire time?", and it would be a good point. But I'm just not buying it.


*cough* gods and angels *cough*


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If indeed the gods and angels mythology sprang from our interaction/observation of the Forerunner, then it was while they were creating the Ark, or while they were interacting with us in preperation.

Or do you mean something else?

I'm fried though. The sweet song of slumber rings in my ears.....


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you know i was just playing the end of Halo CE and i thought it was kinda interesting in The Maw when 343 says: ;This is so fascinating! A record of of all our lost time! Human history you call it, interesting.' This is right before he tries to fry MC and cortana to bacon bits and put them on a salad. anyway its kinda weird that he says human history you call it. like... we named it something funny. like we should have named it something else... note: im not saying he meant to call it forerunner history but im just thinking .. . i dunno it sounded funny to me. esp after reading this thread.

EDIT...yeah i know the quote isnt exact. i forgot it by the time i ran to a peice of paper.


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supremely wrote:
you know i was just playing the end of Halo CE and i thought it was kinda interesting in The Maw when 343 says: ;This is so fascinating! A record of of all our lost time! Human history you call it, interesting.' This is right before he tries to fry MC and cortana to bacon bits and put them on a salad. anyway its kinda weird that he says human history you call it. like... we named it something funny. like we should have named it something else... note: im not saying he meant to call it forerunner history but im just thinking .. . i dunno it sounded funny to me. esp after reading this thread.

Exactly my thoughts.


As a side note, 343 is certainly one of the Forerunners more.... Interesting creations. Not to mention, the one of the most awesome, in my opinion. (even if he is messed up in the circuits) :mrgreen:


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supremely wrote:
you know i was just playing the end of Halo CE and i thought it was kinda interesting in The Maw when 343 says: ;This is so fascinating! A record of of all our lost time! Human history you call it, interesting.' This is right before he tries to fry MC and cortana to bacon bits and put them on a salad. anyway its kinda weird that he says human history you call it. like... we named it something funny. like we should have named it something else... note: im not saying he meant to call it forerunner history but im just thinking .. . i dunno it sounded funny to me. esp after reading this thread.

I interpreted it as surprise that humanity didnt adopt the Forerunner term for their species. For example, in GOO we learned that Engineers were called Huragok by the Forerunners. I imagine that Guilty Spark would have been shocked if he were reading Engineer history, and noted they never mentioned what the Forerunners called them. I think Guilty Spark, after reading the history notes, realized that humanity was totally ignorant of the Forerunners.

I feel that this also explains why GS was so nice to the Heretics in Halo 2--he realized that everybody was ignorant of the truth about the Forerunners, and that he needed to educate everyone from scratch. I imagine he took the Heretics aside and walked them through exactly who they were, what Halo really did, and how it would be a really bad idea to touch the Flood samples. Sadly, they appeared to ignore that last bit of advice.

One last bit of proof for my idea: Guilty Spark mentioned that "[the Heretic Leaders] edification was most enjoyable." Edification means enlightenment. So GS did indeed try to explain himself this time around.


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