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 The Forerunner Collective in the Ark 
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You're not thinking creatively enough. Surely in the war for the survival of mankind, and indeed most life in the galaxy, a man could pick up an alligator in each hand and, by squeezing their tails painfully, force them to open and close their jaws on demand. Or just swing them around like giant, living maces. It's Judgment Day, Professor. Your arbitrary labels separating animal from weapon have no meaning here.


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Kiloh Ekim wrote:
They planned to do this by invoking one of the halos loopholes: storing their bodies as sperm and egg cells and keeping the last of the race as a collective of AI minds inside the Ark until they could get their bodies (the result: MB.) This is how the forerunners survived, they were not life when the halos activated so they wouldn't get wiped out and they just have to wait until mankind develops and lets them out when the flood are gone. )


So where was the Earth during the activation of the Halo installations? How did it not get destroyed? And if it was spared by a Dryson Sphere, which one? Where is it? How did our planet make it out?

There is also no evidence that the Forerunner wanted to be reborn (from DNA specimen) after the destruction. We know that the HALO installations had recorded researches on the Flood. We don't know whether the Ark has the same... or something completely different.

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What irony that we discovered this treasure, only at the end of things,
But what fortune that we still had time to save them
The thing we built on that world will vouchsafe their lives,
But perhaps one day it will be used for its intended purpose
If the plan succeeds, and they are saved, it will be a good world.

We do know:
  • The Forerunners discovered the Humans after the decision to activate the rings (destroy the Flood).
  • They devised a plan to save the Humans by building the Ark on Earth to ensure the safety (from the Flood) of their existence.
  • The Forerunners knew the Humans will be able to operate the Ark (for its intended purpose) and protect their world.

Here's what we don't know:
  • What DOES the Ark do?
  • What does the Ark contain?
  • How will the Ark save the Human race?


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Earth was "beyond the line," that is to say, beyond the Halo activation grid's reach. However, the Ark is supposed to activate all the Halos, so my guess is that if the Flood ever made it to Earth, the Forerunners assumed all was lost anyway, because if Earth was invaded, the human race would be lost either way.

The Ark was the fall-back, so that if the Flood started to repopulate the universe, humanity could fall back on Earth, save themselves, and cleanse the rest of the universe. It is also possible that the Earth contains a dyson sphere. Quite frankly, it could be a different combination of many things that saved Earth before and the things that could save it again.


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Earth was "beyond the line," that is to say, beyond the Halo activation grid's reach. However, the Ark is supposed to activate all the Halos, so my guess is that if the Flood ever made it to Earth, the Forerunners assumed all was lost anyway, because if Earth was invaded, the human race would be lost either way.

The Ark was the fall-back, so that if the Flood started to repopulate the universe, humanity could fall back on Earth, save themselves, and cleanse the rest of the universe. It is also possible that the Earth contains a dyson sphere. Quite frankly, it could be a different combination of many things that saved Earth before and the things that could save it again.


This is exactly what I'm talking about. You guys are providing more speculation than actual fact. Sure, Iris answered some questions (very few btw), but has led to way, way more speculation than what we started with. I'm sorry, but a successful & satisfying ARG doesn't do this. A well designed ARG provides closure, whether it be related directly to the story or not.


Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:08 pm
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Techincally, Ark speculation is not really IRIS related other than the "beyond the line" quote. Ark speculation has been around since the end of Halo 2. Dur.

Additionally, the only reason ILB had closure is that it was not directly related to H2. The whole point of this ARG was to give actually story connections to Halo 1, 2, and 3. Seeing as that is the case, Bungie can't exactly provide full closure to the game, as most of it is probably revealed throughout Halo 3's main story line.


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DHalo wrote:
Additionally, the only reason ILB had closure is that it was not directly related to H2. The whole point of this ARG was to give actually story connections to Halo 1, 2, and 3. Seeing as that is the case, Bungie can't exactly provide full closure to the game, as most of it is probably revealed throughout Halo 3's main story line.


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What DOES the Ark do?
What does the Ark contain?
How will the Ark save the Human race?


I was actually hoping that these questions will be answered by the game (HALO 3) along with whom sent this message to us: "I promise you the answers lie in the Ark/Find me there in the dark/For that is where I abide." Ugh, a 33-day wait period. :D


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DHalo wrote:
Earth was "beyond the line," that is to say, beyond the Halo activation grid's reach.


That can't be right, that makes no sense. The Halos were built to destroy all life in the galaxy, to starve the Flood. If they leave huge pockets of space untouched, they're worthless. The Halos have to hit Earth. We're on the inner rim of one of the arms of the galaxy, in what's known as the galactic habitable zone; other habitable planets can't be too much closer to the galactic center than we are. If the Halos don't hit this area, then there is food left for the Flood in the galaxy after they fire, which defeats the entire purpose.

"Beyond the line" has to mean something else. Like, beyond the line the Flood had already crossed, perhaps working their way from the outside of the galaxy in. They just hadn't stumbled upon Earth itself yet.


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Earth was "beyond the line," that is to say, beyond the Halo activation grid's reach.


As 343GS stated, the Halos have an effective radius three times that of the galaxy. Earth lies about 2/3 of the way to the galaxy's edge. If Earth were beyond the grid's reach, so would a large portion of the galaxy, which would make the Halos useless and GS a liar.

More likely, "beyond the line" just means Earth wasn't anywhere near the Forerunner/Flood battles, probably because it was too far away, undeveloped and irrelevant for either side to stake a claim in.

Edit: Bah! Maimbot beat me to it :mrgreen:


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Back to the basic biblical terms.

Yes all were wiped out.

The "we"/"I" references being the last forerunner left behind to "pull the trigger" ... and play "God". So they "seed" a few humans (Adam and Eve?) into the slipspace sheilded "Ark" 100,000 years ago (check theology on timelines) to re-procreate and repopulate on Earth and the rest of the universe in time.

And hopefully this time we will learn from the Forerunners mistake of them "accidently" creating the Flood by getting carried away with bio-engineering and time/space screwing around. Lesson learned and we all lived happily ever after, except that they didn't make it through to slipspace and thereby couldn't edumacate us to that end!

Now THAT makes perfect sense to me.


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Maybe beyond the line refers to humans being on the other side of the galaxy? Especially considering that it was only near the end that they found us.

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