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SinisterMinister wrote:

On a more on-topic note, although it may be entirely coincidental; the formation of Pangea and that time period in general coincided with the appearance of the first ancestors of modern crocodiles/alligators.


Actually Pangea formed before there was any life of on earth.(1.1 B.Y.A. which means not even single-celled organisms were around.) That DNA sequence we saw could have been the reptile DNA that eventually evolved into mammals (<--- Just a guess.). Also, Pangea broke up 180 M.Y.A. around the time of the first mammals.


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Isn't it possible that several species on several different worlds were pre-sentient and Forerunners found them, studied them all in hopes for answers to some of their mysteries and decided to save them? The Forerunners were one race, probably the most advanced the galaxy has seen. (Especially speed of evolution wise) Yet they fell to one mind with it's endless armies. Perhaps their plan was to save the pre-sentient species hoping that several sentient races could do what one couldn't.
With the threat of extinction the worst of enemies can become allies.


Nicely worded, and makes a lot of sense. The Forerunner may have been the most advanced race in the galaxy, but that doesn't mean that they cant solve every problem. They only have ONE point of view, and in general, their species is going to think inside the same box. Get multiple species who think in different ways, and you just may find the answer that they all over-looked when they were apart.

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Isn't it possible that several species on several different worlds were pre-sentient and Forerunners found them, studied them all in hopes for answers to some of their mysteries and decided to save them?


Entirely possible, and that seems to be what Video 4 implies. However, it doesn't answer why all of those pre-sentient species share a very, very close level of development as of the 26th century; how and why did they all develop at the same speed, beginning at the same time, resulting in a dozen species within a few hundred years, or even decades, of each other's technology levels when it could have easily been thousands or tens of thousands? An obvious answer is Forerunner intervention; the Forerunners took the worthy species, then genetically and socially "tuned" them all to the same level of development; the ooga booga loincloth Flintstones period. Yet, even that doesn't answer what was so special about Earth and/or humans that it deserved to host the Ark, rather than any of the others planets being saved.

Good point. But perhaps they found we had the most potential of all the species they found and helped. (I agree the Forerunners helped out a few species; the Prophets, the Elites,the Brutes, and Humans. The Prophets thought they were Gods and decided like all good missionaries do to spread the word. Humans, Elites, and Brutes on the other hand eventually forgot about them and carried on by themselves; therefore the difference in technologies.) We may have been the closest to them then all the others or a number of other things which sets us apart from Brutes, Elites, and Prophets.


It seems like the Prophets most likely stumbled across their Ark equivalent and couldn't totally decipher everything, leading them to the conclusion that the Forerunner were gods. Humanity has its equivalents of the Covenant religion, many religions on Earth talk of the gods intervening at crucial periods of time, so its possible that early man found SOMETHING, as well.

Anyways, it's possible that somewhere inside the Ark and its equivalent on other worlds, there are references to the other races chosen by the Forerunner. It's also possible that the Prophets found these references, and something about humanity scared them, making them believe that as soon as they found us, they would have to kill us. What they found, of course, is entirely debateable :D


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Actually Pangea formed before there was any life of on earth.(1.1 B.Y.A. which means not even single-celled organisms were around.) That DNA sequence we saw could have been the reptile DNA that eventually evolved into mammals


The continental landmasses formed before life, yes, but Pangea was just the name given to that particular arrangement of landmasses circa 250mya; there were many "continents" before Pangea, but generally they've all been arrangements of the same landmasses (look up the supercontinent cycle, Pangea wasn't the first and won't be the last)

Crocodilians evolved after the split between reptiles and mammal ancestors, they're our "cousins".



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Anyways, it's possible that somewhere inside the Ark and its equivalent on other worlds,


The thing is, there ISN'T an Ark equivalent on the other worlds. We're confusing the life-preserving anti-Halo measures the Forerunners put on the protected worlds with the properties of the Ark, and what we know about the Ark is that there's only one, and it can remotely activate the Halo network. If there were Arks on every homeworld the Covenant would have no need to come to Earth, nor would 343GS say "the Ark" singular, instead of plural.


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Keep in mind that Sentience is not the same thing as Sapience.

Sentient: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience
Sapient:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapience

Dogs are sentient. Humans are sapient. Elites are sapient. Cows are sentient. Fish are sentient. Halos care nothing about sapience; only sentience (and biomass).


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OK... this is all spec right? So... what if the "Ark" isn't what most think it is... I mean, ok... so we have a timeline of 100,000 years or so from firing the rings. Pangea, etc... the Ark is obviously a time machine of some sort. A space/time device to preserve and advance species, worlds or containment control - that would make sense (a la Occam's razor).

I also wonder if the "Prophets" are some sort of distorted species of experiementation or biological mutations (have you noticed them without their "pontiff hats" on? They seem kinda "mutated together" with skull parts etc.

Or maybe there was some bio-experimentation and it's most likely there was some extra-species breeding leading to a division of species (human/covenant) and perhaps there is some logic to the "flood" being born of that experiementation - mutated streams of dna collided by space/time acceleration... or deceleration.


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SinisterMinister wrote:
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Anyways, it's possible that somewhere inside the Ark and its equivalent on other worlds,


The thing is, there ISN'T an Ark equivalent on the other worlds. We're confusing the life-preserving anti-Halo measures the Forerunners put on the protected worlds with the properties of the Ark, and what we know about the Ark is that there's only one, and it can remotely activate the Halo network. If there were Arks on every homeworld the Covenant would have no need to come to Earth, nor would 343GS say "the Ark" singular, instead of plural.


By Ark equivalent I simply meant whatever measure the Forerunner put on other planets in order to preserve chosen lives, not another Ark. We don't really have a name for them, or any idea what they are, so I just call 'em and Ark equivalent :P Anyways, it does appear that the Ark was not only a remote control for the Halos, but also what kept us alive somehow. Why build two different facilities when you can combine both into one? I mean, they were at war with the Flood and all, plus building the Halos alone would have (presumably) taken a while


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Why build two different facilities when you can combine both into one?


Right, so it's possible the Ark is just the normal anti-Halo shielding device, but with a little something extra (the remote control). But the logic applies to a lot more than the Ark itself....why spread your thinning defenses across the galaxy protecting a dozen nascent species when you could just put them all in one spot? What's to say that the Forerunners didn't gather everything, just like Noah, into the Ark on Earth? I don't think we really have enough to go much further along that line of speculation though, and cycle_response.jpg probably has more to do with Iris than with the activities of the Forerunners.


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http://www.ig.utexas.edu/research/proje ... 3d9825b3d0

Looks like the "Pangea" is from the Early Jurassic period, 200 million years ago.


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yakaman wrote:
Keep in mind that Sentience is not the same thing as Sapience.

Sentient: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience
Sapient:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapience

Dogs are sentient. Humans are sapient. Elites are sapient. Cows are sentient. Fish are sentient. Halos care nothing about sapience; only sentience (and biomass).

-Didn't know sapience was a word- Okay. So since 'sentience' is only being alive with sense then, Halo rings wouldn't just kill large thinking (sapient) organisms, they would kill every organism with a brain. So thats basically the kingdom of Animalia.
If thats true. Then our ancestors could have never survived the blast 100k years ago and we wouldn't exist. So the next question is: what prevented the first ring detonation?


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DaRrin W wrote:
I also wonder if the "Prophets" are some sort of distorted species of experiementation or biological mutations (have you noticed them without their "pontiff hats" on? They seem kinda "mutated together" with skull parts etc.

Or maybe there was some bio-experimentation and it's most likely there was some extra-species breeding leading to a division of species (human/covenant) and perhaps there is some logic to the "flood" being born of that experiementation - mutated streams of dna collided by space/time acceleration... or deceleration.

You really shouldn't underestimate the universe. (I'd say "nature" but that sounds too Earth-related.)


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