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Prior to this ARG there were a relatively large group of people who were under the impression that the humans were the forerunners, only dumbed down, messed up, the past version, etc.

But as the comic showed us earlier on, there were us primitive humans and the 'gods' (forerunners as people have interpreted it), which makes it seem that there is no relation between the two.

So the question that I believe I'm trying to get at is, does the evidence from this ARG draw the line and end the human=forerunner theory?


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no, because humans could be something the forerunners created in an image of themselves


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I know this has been bandied about many times in this forum, but in Halo CE in "Two Betrayals" our looney little Monitor calls MC "Reclaimer" and not "Forerunner". It also says "
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Last time you asked me if it were my choice would I do it. Having had considerable to time to ponder your query my answer has not changed. There is no choice. We must activate the ring"
and in talking about what the Halo's do for the first time says "
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But you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?

This says to me that either a human-type being fired the Halo's last time, and not the forerunners (and it is this persons communications we're discovering); OR is it possible something more akin to the cyborg super human that is MC and the other spartans, activated Halo?

In a short span GS both calls MC Reclaimer AND alludes to the previous firing. Whoever fired the Halo's the first time was a Reclaimer, if we can trust GS.

Or, GS could be a little more crazier than I think, and just be addled (he does after all fly around whistling to himself and muttering about how smart he is - I don't trust that thing). Also, when following GS in "The Library" some of his comments include "Stop being human" "Stop firing your weapon". He recognizes MC as both Reclaimer and a human?


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After the evidence from Iris (and past evidence you stated) I'm drifting away from the "Humans are Forerunner" theory.

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no, because humans could be something the forerunners created in an image of themselves


Good idea, but if we were CREATED by them, then we are NOT them. That would be like taking the Bible and saying since man was created in God's image, holy shit (no pun intended :D ), I must be God! (sorry for sarcasm, couldn't resist it!)

But yeah, it is fully possible they did create us in some way. It's more likely, however, that they simply pushed us along in our evolution, which has been hinted at many times over the course of Iris.


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But as the comic showed us earlier on, there were us primitive humans and the 'gods' (forerunners as people have interpreted it), which makes it seem that there is no relation between the two.



I don't think the theory is totally dead, but it's close.

I think everyone would have made a much bigger deal about the comic site had it been revealed as the official word that those machines are the Forerunners.

I've never seen anyone interpret the 'gods' as being the Forerunners.

The 'gods' are obviously machines, most often compared to the Sentinels of Installations 04 and 05 in the games. Nowhere is it specified that those Sentinel-like machines are named Forerunners.

If you have evidence to the contrary about this, please present it.


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I think that the only relation is that humans were 'saved' by the Forerunners from the Halo activation, like they saved other species.


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Good idea, but if we were CREATED by them, then we are NOT them. That would be like taking the Bible and saying since man was created in God's image, holy shit (no pun intended :D ), I must be God! (sorry for sarcasm, couldn't resist it!)


You haven't heard a sermon on the issue, have you? Heh.
Christians consider themselves both made by God, and still "of" God, as God is All, and so on and so forth.
You can also find similar things from St. Augustine, I believe.

Also, for example: We could be essentiually a batch of children who were planted on Earth while the Forerunners were still around, and they didn't let us know what was going on because they were hoping to fix it and let us lead out our innocent little lives on our own. As a random idea.


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Perhaps the Forerunner saved specimens not only of Flood, but humans and Covenant species, too...

It helps explain why, after seeing Jenkins' video in Halo: CE, the Flood that come at MC in the containment chamber are all infection forms, and only after you've killed most of them do the human and Elite combat forms bust through the door and come after you.

(OT: On my most recent Legendary play though of Halo: CE, I finally saw one of the elusive Flood Elite combat forms that Bungie's mentioned can be seen before you enter the underground structure during "Well Enough Alone." It was as cool as the lost marine at the top of the level. /OT)


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Good idea, but if we were CREATED by them, then we are NOT them. That would be like taking the Bible and saying since man was created in God's image, holy shit (no pun intended :D ), I must be God! (sorry for sarcasm, couldn't resist it!)


You haven't heard a sermon on the issue, have you? Heh.
Christians consider themselves both made by God, and still "of" God, as God is All, and so on and so forth.
You can also find similar things from St. Augustine, I believe.

Also, for example: We could be essentiually a batch of children who were planted on Earth while the Forerunners were still around, and they didn't let us know what was going on because they were hoping to fix it and let us lead out our innocent little lives on our own. As a random idea.


Well, it also depends on which denomination of Christianity you belong to ;) I was just trying to hit on the most literal terms mentioned in the Bible while at the same time being a smart ass :D

Anyways, I like the idea of leaving us blissfully ignorant. Hell, they seem to have done a pretty good job of it, too!


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Alright, I'll take the bait.

Humanity=Forerunner is dead, dead, dead. Deader than fried chicken. Why I say this:

- the comic, showing humanity in it's primitive state, watching the Forerunners machines
- Episode 4 video, indicating that the Forerunner confronted the enemy while shielding the weak
- the fact that in every occasion, monitors draw a distinction between Reclaimers and their creators

But surely the Forerunner messed with our DNA? Yes - in order to direct our course, push us forward, and of course, to give us the keys to the Galaxy. How else would the index "know" who was pushing it in? It's their fingerprints on our DNA that make us Reclaimers.

Then what the hell was 343GS talking about in H1? There was a human there when it was fired. Or many. There must have been. How else did the Flood/Ark mythology make it into the mythology of humanity (I'm talking within the Haloverse, of course)? The Forerunner must have brought some people in to pass the information down to those that would follow. However, it appears as if only the informal information was passed. Through legends and myths. Father to son, mother to daughter. The formal channel (i.e. Reclaimer College taught by a Forerunner AI) got sabotaged. Or otherwise derailed.

I would bet my left testicle that Humanity is not Forerunner. Or the right, if you prefer. It does not matter. :ugeek:


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