Humans aren't forerunner?
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Author:  thereIwasn't [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:20 am ]
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We know that The Forerunner were indexing all the sentient species in the ark,. Perhaps they picked us as reclaimers because they found us the most promising. This would make us special, yet at the same time not forerunners.

Except 343's quote stil bugs me
Spoilers (hover to reveal):

Figuratively only, perhaps?

Author:  thebruce [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:05 pm ]
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Context, people, context!
Protocol dictates action. I see now that helping you was wrong! You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind. You ARE Forerunner! But this ring is mine.

yes, thereIwasn't, my belief is that the statement is figurative, give it context... but the statement is vague enough that the debate will continue to rage on until Bungie gives a definitive answer ;)

Author:  ProfessorHojo05 [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:47 pm ]
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An idea came to me last night. Perhaps the Forerunners were capable of breeding with these evolved monkeys and their offspring became the human species we evolved from. It would explain the fact that we have no evolutionary history as well as us being descendants of the Forerunners. I know its far fetched, but I will cling dearly to my belief that humans are Forerunner in some way other then figuratively.

Author:  thebruce [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:13 pm ]
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yet still, based on the Evolutionary model of humanity, we'd have to evolve. Offspring of Forerunner would still be 'evolved' as Forerunner. They would have to start a brand new civilization genetically related, and cut themselves off from it entirely - whether they bred with ancient humans, or not. Why would they do that? That's even assuming ancient 'monkey man' was compatible with forerunners for breeding.
It is quite far-fetched... quite... but hey, you are allowed to believe it if you like ;)
there's a lot of rumours and spec out there...

Author:  Maimbot 9000 [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:06 pm ]
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"The Forerunners were a bunch of monkey-fuckers." While I reluctantly agree that this adds quite a layer of complexity to the backstory, it's not really the awe-inspiring connection I was hoping for.

Author:  uncle_trubble [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:46 pm ]
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They weren't necesarily "monkey-fuckers," they may simply have taken humanity and gene-spliced some of their DNA into ours.

Author:  thebruce [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:07 am ]
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That's different than us being Forerunner though. That wouldn't make them our ancestors. That would make them scientists who genetically enhanced our own ancestors. Different idea. Though interesting and could make a good story, there's no canon that know of yet that indicates anything like that...

Author:  uncle_trubble [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:08 am ]
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That's always been one of the ideas about how the forerunner constructs recognize us
It's a way to potentially reconcile the two sides in the we are-we aren't debate

Author:  Maimbot 9000 [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:55 am ]
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The anomalous world is in a perilous location beyond the line.
{/The secrets it holds must be preserved/}
{/Plans within plans within plans/}
The inhabitants; these unique denizens, must be researched.
They may hold answers to our own mysteries.
{/What irony that we discovered this treasure, only at the end of things,/}

This snippet makes it clear that, when they discovered us, we were already special in some way. Why the Forerunners would tinker with our DNA or development would be an extra layer of mystery; there's still the mystery of why we attracted their attention in the first place.

It also states the Forerunners are a bit confused about themselves, presumably their origins. Maybe they found themselves able to instinctively understand Precursor technology that they found strewn about the galaxy, or maybe they couldn't figure out how they'd evolved from other life on their home planet. Who knows at this point. But I think the evidence points toward us having something oddly in common with the Forerunnners, something they themselves did not understand. There is no evidence whatsoever that they messed with our DNA, or ah, joined our gene pool in any other way.

Author:  thebruce [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:05 pm ]
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totally agreed. I still hold to the figurative 'you are (essentially) forerunner' meaning from Spark...

The Precurser stuff is relatively new info, and I like the potential parallel in that the Forerunners are like humanity - they don't know their origins, and they discovered higher technology strewn about the galaxy, and they were in search of answers, struggling in a war with the Flood... what if, we are actually descendants of the precursers, so we're actually like the parents to the Forerunners? :) heh or we share them as a common ancestor? long before the age of the Forerunners, the Precursers did all this stuff that uncle_trubble believes, and that's why the FR think we're special... :)

really, just shooting aimlessly now, heh.

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