Humans aren't forerunner?

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DaRrin W
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Re: Humans aren't forerunner?

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What if the Flood WERE/ARE the Forerunners - we're talking a lot about genetics, slipspace, etc, what if they just ended up gene-splicing themselves, or did some kind of experiment on themselves that turned them into the flood, or that the breakdown in genetic code lead them to their current flood status. Maybe it's just a disease they tried to treat on a whole whack of levels, but some key element was missing. Accidental de-evolution perhaps? Backwards space/time malfunction?

Perhaps that explains why the Forerunners wanted to just contain the flood and not eliminate them. That makse sense if you think that humans (or other earthly creatures (dinos, alligators, etc)) had/have some sort of genetic immunity on a cross-gene splicing level.

I mean, they have sentinals they could just set out to destroy everything right? But they PURPOSELY kept the flood in some sort of stasis or dormant state. Perhaps using them as some sort of genetic marker to examine and extrapolate from - kind of like getting DNA samples of Dinosaurs from an ancient mosquito encased and preserved in amber then re-creating dinosaurs (a la Jurassic Park).
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DaRrin W wrote:What if the Flood WERE/ARE the Forerunners - we're talking a lot about genetics, slipspace, etc, what if they just ended up gene-splicing themselves, or did some kind of experiment on themselves that turned them into the flood, or that the breakdown in genetic code lead them to their current flood status. Maybe it's just a disease they tried to treat on a whole whack of levels, but some key element was missing. Accidental de-evolution perhaps? Backwards space/time malfunction?

Perhaps that explains why the Forerunners wanted to just contain the flood and not eliminate them. That makse sense if you think that humans (or other earthly creatures (dinos, alligators, etc)) had/have some sort of genetic immunity on a cross-gene splicing level.

I mean, they have sentinals they could just set out to destroy everything right? But they PURPOSELY kept the flood in some sort of stasis or dormant state. Perhaps using them as some sort of genetic marker to examine and extrapolate from - kind of like getting DNA samples of Dinosaurs from an ancient mosquito encased and preserved in amber then re-creating dinosaurs (a la Jurassic Park).
If you search flood on this forum at this point, I'm pretty sure that the phrase 'extragalactic in origin' comes up plenty. If this was suggested before Iris, I'm sure that it would have been regarded as clever, but now unfortunately...
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Re: Humans aren't forerunner?

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The Flood aren't Forerunner, neither are humans, neither are any of the covenant.
It's pretty much been determined that yes, the Flood are indeed extragalatic in origin.
As for humanity, we aren't forerunner per se, but have probably been genetically altered and given the responsibility of the Halos.

Truth: "Your FOREFATHERS wisely put aside their compassion, steeled themselves for what had to be done. I see now why they left you behind"
343GS: "Accept your legacy!"
The forerunners gave to humanity, and only humanity, the responsibility to, if necessary, activate the Halos.
The term "reclaimer" is from Humanity's duty to "reclaim" the legacy of the installations.
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Yeah, the flood Obviously aren't Forerunner, but the core of what I'm trying to get as is...
A) Were the forerunners represented by a single race?
a)If yes, was it us?
b) If no, were we a representative race?
B) Does us being reclaimers make us forerunners, or does this mean that we're just another group chosen by them to do something special?
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Re: Humans aren't forerunner?

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We don't know much in the way of politics and government with the Forerunner, but we weren't part of it-just the fact that we were so primitive in the Cradle of Life comic tells us that much
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I am guessing that I am the first person posting in this discussion who has read the latest book Contact Harvest. In it, a Forerunner device in the hands on the Covenant claims that they have misinterpreted the meaning of a symbol on their detection devices or sensors or what ever you want to call them. The Covenant thought the symbol represented "Reclamation" when in actually meant "Reclaimer". [spoiler]This is in reference to the first Covenant to detect humanity with one of these devices and sees an entire planet (Harvest) absolutely covered with the symbols for "Reclamation" and one "Oracle" meaning a system much like the human AI's or Monitors. This device in the hands of the Covenant then goes on to state that these reclaimers ARE his makers. Thus, Humanity IS Forerunner.[/spoiler]
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Re: Humans aren't forerunner?

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That doesn't mean anything.
In response to what you said,
[spoiler]The Forerunners probably programmed their AIs, detection devices and whatnot to treat Reclaimers as Forerunner. That's been discussed and more or less agreed upon-just that some AIs think humanity and Forerunner are the same doesn't mean they are.[/spoiler]
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You may choose to believe that it doesn't mean anything, but I still think Humanity IS Forerunner. If you look at an evolutionary time scale, what the modern human came from has NO history. What monkeys were becoming died off because what became us showed up. Perhaps a Forerunner colony set up to regrow into what the Forerunner once were hence the name given to us by them. "Reclaimer"
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If humanity is forerunner, then why are we so primitive in the Cradle of Life comic?
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Perhaps that was what monkeys evolved into before they died off. We know those people had the use of tools and clothing.
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