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I saw this cutscene when playing Halo 3, and thought it might have something to do with the topic at hand. The specific cutscene I'm speaking of starts around 5:10, and continues until the line "What is it?" when the game goes off the subject.

Spoilers, BTW, in case no one realized.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3KCvLIKq8w


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The "Believe" videos, while being an interesting part of HALO 3's marketing, are not canon (as stated by Bungie) and also completely irrelevant to this topic or this forum. The other day I did post in HBO's forums about the fact that the video was not up yet, but no one replied or seemed to care. Microsoft will either get around to it, or they won't.

Now, back on topic:

Ryoseth, at first I thought that 343 Guilty Spark noticed that Installation 04 was being recreated, too, until he mentioned something that I still can't hear entirely about how we must get to the core of the Ark before something does something to something. It seems to me that he discovered something else. Assuming this is correct, as to what he found out, well, we may never know.

And as for what Cortana found out, it almost makes me wonder if her plans changed the moment High Charity flew into the Ark. If there was some other plan for the galaxy in general, either there was no time to bring it up with all of the action in the Ark, or she forgot. No idea.

Also, Gravemind popping in and saying that something all made sense now... made no sense to me. What made sense? Cortana got popped back into Master Chief's head, and then it was like Gravemind was linked to Master Chief's mind and got some amazing info out of it, but we never found out what. There were MANY unanswered questions in HALO 3, and this is obviously another one.


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No offense to anyone but it seems like I'm the only person who can really grasp the story from the game.

When 343 said we must get there, or something along those lines, he followed that up with, "Or the Meddler will destroy it all!"

Gravemind said that her secret was revealed, because she had just openly revealed it. Remember that the Gravemind throughout the level wanted to know what she hid; the secret plan that Cortana had. Which was to activate Halo with the activation index she had from the first Halo. However, this open display of the Index made it rather simple for Gravemind to just watch her show Chief.


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Ah, very nice looking out DHalo. See, my problem was that I couldn't understand that single line you just posted from 343 Guilty Spark. The music and things decided to overpower the dialogue and I was lost on it.

I suppose it makes sense that he could have been referring to Truth destroying Installation 04 (upon realizing that's what was being rebuilt, and the Ark's activation of all of the rings would have destroyed his own, too), but there's still a problem with that. Look at how he worded "The meddler will destroy it all!" The Ark? The Halo Installations? Shield Worlds? Why not just say "The meddler will destroy the Ark?" Something's not right with the wording. He also told everyone that he found out that Installation 04 was being remade maybe a few moments before it busted out of the clouds. Either he was lying and knew about it from the moment he made the comment in question, or he realized something else at the Cartographer. So, again, we have no true idea as to what he figured out assuming he's telling the truth about being unaware until just that moment about Installation 04's return.

Now, 343 Guilty Spark may have had an idea (or been positive) of Installation 04's creation based on his conversation with Mendicant Bias at the terminal that showed up previously in the level, which would then allude to him being extremely aware of how Truth's activation of the Array would end up making his precious Halo blow up. Unfortunately, this new Installation 04 isn't in standby status like the others. Add to that the fact that 343 Guilty Spark's mind goes straight to how if Installation 04 gets activated by Johnson, the Ark will be damaged/destroyed. He THEN realizes that his precious Installation 04 will be destroyed, too. Why would it take him to just then to realize that his Halo would go bye bye again if he already made that connection regarding Truth? Something is HORRIBLY wrong here.

I didn't consider the possibility that Gravemind said what he did in relation to the Index being revealed, especially since Gravemind pops into your screen some time after you were shown the Index. While you may be entirely correct, I think you may be entirely wrong. After all, Cortana did say that she knew of a way to defeat the Flood that involved not firing the Halo Installations. Using the Index on Installation 04 obviously involves firing one of them.

Gravemind had no idea what the Ark was, and Cortana may not have known, either. Yes, she was in the actual control panel of Installation 04, but the knowledge she would have obtained would have been the same knowledge that 343 Guilty Spark had--limited knowledge of the Ark or its purpose, which led 343 Guilty Spark to assume that the Ark was just another Shield World. I don't see how Cortana could have possibly known that the Ark would be rebuilding Installation 04 (let alone knowing about its true purpose beyond firing off the entire Halo Array, if even knowing that). She didn't even know that we were working with 343 Guilty Spark until after she had gotten back into Master Chief's head, which tells us that she probably had no access to the control room of Installation 05 to hear the conversation between Miranda and 343 Guilty Spark about the Ark and the Halo Array.

So, it would appear that we still have some HUGE unanswered story elements. If only Bungie would answer some of these things for us some day...


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I was only able to skim, and I've gotta go, but in a few words...

Gravemind spoke to you in the hallway RIGHT after you rescue Cortana, so it seems to correlate there. Also, the Foundry in the discussion of the Terminal is probably how 343 had that idea.


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